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Solo_uw_ftw · Nov 26, 2007, 11:02 PM // 23:02

The Ninja

Introduction
Hello everyone. After playing Guild Wars for 28 months, I finally discover what class would be totally amazing: The Ninja

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Contents

Background of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *1]
Attributes of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *2]
Equipment details of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *3]
Skills of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *4]
Pros and Cons of the Ninja [Ctrl+F: *5]
More.. [Ctrl+F: *6]

Background [*1]

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The master of Stealth and so called Ninjutsus, the Ninja expertises in the art of assassination, espionnage, scouting and sabotage. These highly trained warriors have no mercy. They stab their ennemies, they ambush them, they capture them. They are cold and hard slaughtering machines.

Attributes [*2]

Ninjutsu Magic - No inherent effect. Ninjutsus become more effective with higher Ninjutsu Magic.

Stealth - For each rank of Stealth, you are 2% less likely to get attacked by monsters when in your aggro circle. Stealth skills become more effective with higher Stealth.

Espionnage - No inherent effect. Espionnage skills become more effective with higher Espionnage.

Assassination - For each rank of Assassination, you are 3% more likely to get a critical hit when stabbing an enemy. Assassination skills become more effective with higher Assassination.

Status
Health at level 20 - 480
Energy at level 20 - 20
Energy pips - 2

Equipment [*3]

Head - Bandana (+1 Ninjutsu Magic/Stealth/Espionnage/Assassination, +10 armor vs physical damage)

Armor - Kenpogi (+10 armor vs physical damage)
Hand - Tekko (+10 armor vs physical damage, +20 armor vs elemental damage)
Pants - Sitabaki (+20 armor vs elemental damage)
Boots - Kyahan (+20 armor vs elemental damage)

Defense
Starter - AL 10 (Armor level 0*3 +10)
Very Low - AL 25 (Armor level 5*3 +10)
Low - AL 40 (Armor level 10*3 +10)
Medium - AL 55 (Armor level 15*3 +10)
Maximum - AL 70 (Armor level 20*3 +10)

Runes
Minor Ninjutsu Magic (+1)
Minor Stealth (+1)
Minor Espionnage (+1)
Minor Assassination (+1)
Major Ninjutsu Magic (+2/-35 HP)
Major Stealth (+2/-35 HP)
Major Espionnage (+2/-35 HP)
Major Assassination (+2/-35 HP)
Superior Ninjutsu Magic (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Stealth (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Espionnage (+3/-75 HP)
Superior Assassination (+3/-75 HP)

Insignas
Stealth Insigna - +5% Running Speed
Mercenary's Insigna - +10 Armor (While casting Ninjutsus)

Weapons

Katana
Slashing Damage - Minimum: 5-10, Maximum: 10-18 (Req X assassination/Stealth)

Katana
Slashing Damage - Minimum: 5-10, Maximum: 10-18 (Req X assassination/Stealth)

(Yes, they wear 2 weapons :O)

Tools (Needed to cast the corresponding Ninjutsu)
- Shinobi-Iri (Stealth related Ninjutsus)
- Hensōjutsu (Disguise and Impersonation related Ninjutsus)
- Intonjutsu (Escaping related Ninjustsus)

Skills [*4] (Starting them right now, will take some time)

Ninjutsu Magic

Stealth

Espionnage

Assassination

Pros and Cons [*5]

Pros
- Very resistant, they can tank very well.
- Ninjutsus can be a pain for the enemies.
- Stealthy, they can do huge damage if backstabbing someone.

Cons
- Low damage in overall.
- Requires the correct tool to cast the corresponding Ninjutsu.

More... [*6]
In PvP, the Ninja is a very good tool to cap shrines or to spy on the other team.
In PvE, it can run past mobs without getting aggro, so the running can be made easier.
The Ninja uses adrenaline, just like a Warrior.

I hope you enjoy it, and I'm starting the skills right now!

mrmango · Nov 26, 2007, 11:17 PM // 23:17

Assassin version 2. Nope. Fail.

Bowstring Badass · Nov 26, 2007, 11:18 PM // 23:18

Naruto fan I take it.... Lemme just go find my bridge to jump off of.

Stormlord Alex · Nov 26, 2007, 11:21 PM // 23:21

It even had the dual swordz.

epic

pure epic

DarkGanni · Nov 26, 2007, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Good intention but Anet will never make a similar profession as the Assassin not in GW1 atleast.

- Ganni

Alex the Great · Nov 26, 2007, 11:33 PM // 23:33

with all the sin trouble we already have you want to make another!!!!

Solo_uw_ftw · Nov 26, 2007, 11:34 PM // 23:34

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Originally Posted by mrmango

Assassin version 2. Nope. Fail.

Ninja is better than assassin in any ways.

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Naruto fan I take it.... Lemme just go find my bridge to jump off of.

Nah sorry, I don't like Naruto.

Quote:

It even had the dual swordz.

epic

pure epic

Never seen a Ninja with a shield.

Quote:

Good intention but Anet will never make a similar profession as the Assassin not in GW1 atleast.

- Ganni

Yea maybe in GW2, I know it's almost like Assassin, but I think it would be much better.

street peddler · Nov 26, 2007, 11:36 PM // 23:36

way too similar to the assassin

maybe in gw2 they could change the sin into this, instead of insta-gib or fail

Biostem · Nov 26, 2007, 11:53 PM // 23:53

With all due respect, I would *never* expect a ninja to tank very well. I would see a ninja as a melee combatant that relies on tricks or very good dodging skills to survive.

If anything, a ninja would really be some sort of warrior-mesmer combination - excellent weapon skills, ways of tripping up enemies, but not good in a stand-up fight.

The problem is, you would need to add some new conditions to properly represent this; we already have blindness, but we'd also need a sort of "confuse" ability to make the enemy sort of forget where you are or lose track of you. Furthermore, when I think of ninja, I think of agility and dirty tricks, not being able to stand and fight - that's what kills ninja.

I think assassins focus too much on damage and not enough on the tricks.

Woop Shotty · Nov 26, 2007, 11:54 PM // 23:54

You made your post very organized, but for several reasons, your concept won't interest many people. The GW world has the assassin class and it's far too similar. As far as GW goes, it simply doesn't belong in the GW world. Assassins have been in place since Factions and you know that ninja, as an alternative to assassin, is only a dream limited to you and maybe even a few others. Would you seriously like to see an assassin and ninja class side by side in battle? People would think "what the @#$% is the difference!?" They'd be right.

Here's a new point to make to help you see what's going on over here in the GW world: how would a ninja class make any sense in GW? Would a traditional ninja belong in a GW party? Does espionage make any sense in GW? Aggro & kill is the strategy. It's a party based game taking advantage of the varying attributes that the classes have. I suppose you could argue that assassins don't have a place in party, as they, too, are supposed to work alone. However, assassins are in place, ninjas as a new class don't belong, and it's GW, not Splinter Cell.

jonesy0039 · Nov 27, 2007, 12:14 AM // 00:14

too simular to the sin (to be honest sins are based on ninjas), i really doubt this idea will go anywhere.

Solo_uw_ftw · Nov 27, 2007, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Woop Shotty

You made your post very organized, but for several reasons, your concept won't interest many people. The GW world has the assassin class and it's far too similar. As far as GW goes, it simply doesn't belong in the GW world. Assassins have been in place since Factions and you know that ninja, as an alternative to assassin, is only a dream limited to you and maybe even a few others. Would you seriously like to see an assassin and ninja class side by side in battle? People would think "what the @#$% is the difference!?" They'd be right.

Here's a new point to make to help you see what's going on over here in the GW world: how would a ninja class make any sense in GW? Would a traditional ninja belong in a GW party? Does espionage make any sense in GW? Aggro & kill is the strategy. It's a party based game taking advantage of the varying attributes that the classes have. I suppose you could argue that assassins don't have a place in party, as they, too, are supposed to work alone. However, assassins are in place, ninjas as a new class don't belong, and it's GW, not Splinter Cell.

You're right, it doesn't belong to the GW world I know, but I tried to introduced it. As for the Espionnage thing, it'd mostly be PvP based.. Well, the truth is, the Ninja would be only used in PvP, as it have nothing to do in PvE...

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With all due respect, I would *never* expect a ninja to tank very well. I would see a ninja as a melee combatant that relies on tricks or very good dodging skills to survive.

Well, my post wasn't clear enough. I didn't mean "tank" the way you get all the damage and still survive, but the "tank" where you dodge, get low damage, condition the attackers, etc.

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The problem is, you would need to add some new conditions to properly represent this; we already have blindness, but we'd also need a sort of "confuse" ability to make the enemy sort of forget where you are or lose track of you. Furthermore, when I think of ninja, I think of agility and dirty tricks, not being able to stand and fight - that's what kills ninja.

Yep, new conditions would be the key and I agree that when the word ninja enters my ear, I think about agility, tricks.

I'll have to re-consider all this, and might work on it.

This char could only be PvP based as I said, since it would totally blow in PvE. And I guess I'll have to take the Assassination skill out, since that's the assassins job^^

Coloneh · Nov 27, 2007, 05:00 AM // 05:00

attributes dont work. cant put inherit bonuses into non-primaries.

[M]agna_[C]arta · Nov 27, 2007, 05:08 AM // 05:08

Id rather play a Sin, than a Ninja.
Why do people like to copy my layouts?
I know it's not a complete copy still, this is the 5th time already.

System_Crush · Nov 27, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

@Manga
Because your layout is intuitive, so even without seeing it, there's a large chance that people will come up a somewhat similar one.
+ the people that post CC's that we want to read, first check out some other posts (and hopefully did a search for similar themed classes, for ideas or to offer their support) And with the amount of CC's you have pumped out, there's a large chance 1 or more of those previews of layouts will be yours.
(Though you have to watch out, with PT's CC factory he might out do you in numbers soon)

@ the OP
If your not a Naruto fan, how did you manage to get ninjutsu that wrong?
(Ninjutsu is only magic in Naruto, even in ninja movies its a martial art, at times in reaches of the impossible; not that impossible is necessarily a bad thing, it makes the movies look pretty cool)
A ninja is a healer turned killer, with their knowledge of anatomy they invented a martial art that exploits every weak spot humans have.
(for GW continuity, it would be ok to say they are experts of monster anatomy as well)
Once ninjitsu had been invented it could be thought to non medics as well, but that did not change that all ninjas had to learn of anatomy.
When [skill=text]Sharpen Daggers[/skill] was still activated on critical hits, it along with several skills in deadly arts, made clear how much a assassin was related to ninjitsu.

And for some reason I get the feeling you where planing on giving an attribute named ... magic mostly adrenaline based skills.

@Bowstring
Did you see a muffin before you jumped?

@every1
How did this CC get more replies in 9 and a half hours than some do in a week?
Are there really that many bloggers here? All of em itching for a pirate <> ninja argument?

[M]agna_[C]arta · Nov 27, 2007, 10:26 AM // 10:26

That's fie I actually seem to hate people copying my layout^^.
Espescially without my Permission!
Even though it's 40% or 60% of it!
As long at it has Obvious RecemblancesXD!
I am angry!

I am getting to my Tantrums againXD.

Solo_uw_ftw · Nov 27, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

@ Magna: I didn't copy your layout sorry, came up with my own, which I just saw is pretty similar to yours, so sorry I guess?

@ System: Ever played Final Fantasy XI? If not, then the Ninja class uses Ninjutsu and I knew that even before Naruto got knowned. Oh btw, what you mean I got the ninjutsu "that wrong"?

Snow Bunny · Nov 27, 2007, 09:30 PM // 21:30

ZOMG!

It's like, an assassin, paragon, warrior, mesmer, and elementalist all in one!

SWEET

DOES IT TELEPORT AND KILL STUFF TOO?

epic post.

System_Crush · Nov 28, 2007, 08:50 AM // 08:50

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Originally Posted by Solo_uw_ftw

Oh btw, what you mean I got the ninjutsu "that wrong"?

I was assuming, ninjitsu magic was naruto like ninjitsu, because I though little other sources of ninja lore could have made it magic like.

On which, no I have never even seen a ninja in the FF MMO, Kinda surprises me as I did see a lot of armor pictures from it that were pirate themed(Yarr 'ej seam ta luv 'em 'ere!).

But on that, I don't know how wrong FF ninjitsu magic is, would need to wait till you post skills, to see if it is somewhat makes sense.

Darkhell153 · Nov 28, 2007, 01:25 PM // 13:25

Quote:

That's fie I actually seem to hate people copying my layout^^.
Espescially without my Permission!
Even though it's 40% or 60% of it!
As long at it has Obvious RecemblancesXD!
I am angry!

I am getting to my Tantrums againXD.

was it something I said in an earlier forum? xD

but still I give this idea a 10/30 (soo boooooooo)

0/10 for creativity, it's just a modified sin
10/10 for complex spell type system
5/10 for practicality
and you know what just take another -5 points because it's a complete and utter copy of NARUTO!!!!!! You even directly copied the lines of some of the earlier episodes as skills (espionage and so on). At the very least you watched it subbed at some point! xD